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本帖最后由 starinheart 于 2018-11-10 23:15 编辑
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作者：果冻.Angela（来自豆瓣）
来源：https://www.douban.com/note/696239954/
果冻叨叨：终于快要译完了这段视频，还有30分钟左右的内容。生活很有趣，总是会推着你做些事情，胜在喜欢，不觉得苦，也不无聊，分享。
接上~
JoB：
What does this mean? " I often say that if I had a prayer, it would be this,'God, Spare me from the desire for love, approval or appreaciation.' "
这是什么意思？“ 我常常说如果我想要去祈祷的话，那可能会是，“上帝啊，请免除所有我对爱、支持和赞许的渴求。”
Katie:
So, seeking love, approval and appreciation is like living,, it's living as a slave. A person would immediately, seeking love approval appreciationg, would immediately project what they need to say, to do, how they need to move, what they need to, to ,you know, all of that, to win your approval,(Right),and so you know,, they create a facade, and you know, whatever they think, you would approve of, and then when you say, you care about that person, they never believe you, because the person you caring about doesn't exist, and they know it.
所以，渴望爱、支持和赞许就像是活在，就像是活成了一个奴隶。一个人，如果追求爱、支持和赞许的话，会马上开始琢磨自己应该怎样说话，怎样做事，怎样行动，自己应该做什么。。。。你知道，所有这些，会做所有这些事情来赢得你的支持。（是的）。所以，你知道，他们会戴上面具，尽自己所能去伪装自己，以你所喜欢的样子出现。所以，当你说，你在乎那个人的时候，他们绝对不会相信你，因为你所在乎的那个人根本就不存在，而他们自己心里很清楚这点。
With a facade, the way I used to live, people liked me or they didn't, without a facade, people liked me or they didn't. So I'm free, and people are left with what they believe about me, and it's all good.
戴着面具，就像我以前那样，人们会喜欢我或不喜欢我。去掉面具，人们会喜欢我或不喜欢我。所以，我是自由的，而其他人只是存有着他们对我的所相信的故事而已。一切都很好。
JoB:
So, what's changed is you.(Nodding) But that's all there is to you. (Nodding). And when you were going for approval, what you thought people thought mattered .
所以，改变的只是你而已。（点头）。但是那都只是关于你自己而已。（点头）。当你去追求支持的时候，你以为别人所在乎的那些。。。
Katie:
Oh, my goodness, that's why I say, it's slavery, you know, who enslaves us? we do.It's like what will he,, what will she,, what will they think of me if I wear this, if I say that, if I do ... So everything's always censored, so we can be that facade that we think they'll approve us.( Right)
哦，我的天，那也是为什么我会说，那就像是奴隶一样。要知道，谁在奴役我们呢？是我们自己。那就像是，如果我说了这个，如果我做了这个，，，，他、她、他们会怎么看我呢？所以，你做任何事都小心翼翼的，很在乎别人的看法，所以我就成为了那个带着面具的人，自以为别人会赞许我们。（对的）
So, uh, you know, people who question their mind, begin to understand there's nothing we can do to manipulate or control another person's mind. That it's hard and more,,, it's difficult enough, and hard enough to , to know our own.(Right) That's enough. As you continue to question your mind, you just come to love you the way you are, and just find it fascinating that other people don't, and you understand why they wouldn't, because they are believing their thoughts about you.(Right).
所以，嗯， 你知道，当人们质询他们的心念的时候，他们就会开始理解，我们根本不可能去操纵或控制另一个人的想法。那很难而且，，，话说回来，，去了解我们自己的想法就已经足够困难和艰难了，去认识我们自己就够难的了，更别说别人了，（是的），了解自己就已经足够了。当你持续地去质询自己的念头时，你只会越来越爱你原本的样子，并且会蛮兴奋的发现其他人竟然不这么想。同时，你能够理解为什么他们不这么想，因为他们相信了自己那些关于你的想法。（是的）
And I say, if I had a prayer, because uh I would pray in a , in a heartbeat if if there was something I wanted, but when you have everything, when everything is just the way it's suppose to be perfect, perfect, and just for you, what would you change? Nothing.
我说过，如果我有一个祈祷，嗯，或者如果我有什么想要的东西，我会立即全心全意去祈祷。但是，当你已经拥有了一切，一切都是如此完美的时候，一切都是为了你而存在的时候，你还想要些什么呢？没了啊。
JoB:
Is prayer, is prayer about change?
祈祷，祈祷是关于改变的么？
Katie:
Prayer is,uh, is , it's about ,uh, it's attemp to dictate through a plea another reality.
祈祷，嗯，祈祷是关于，，，嗯， 它是通过请求想要去主宰另一个现实的一种企图。
JoB:
You know, I used to pray,uh, you know, I was in ,you know, Jewsih school, high school, and we used to pray. I just also remember, I just did it to do it, because everybody was doing it, and we were expect to do it. And we were also told that if you did it,, because it's the law that in itself was enough, and then later the, maybe one day the intentionality would come? And I just never kind of got it...
你知道，我常常祷告，我，你知道，我在高中、犹太人高中的时候，我们常常祷告。我只是记得，因为所有人都那么做，我也就那样做而已，而且别人也期望我们那样做。而且我们被告诉说如果你这样做，因为那是法律要求的，那么以后你会，，或许有一天你的愿望会实现。。。可以我从没有实现过。。
Katie:
Well, is that true? That could be why you're so open to um, just something else. Everything counts. And I hear you. (Right) and, and, (It could be..) If I were, if I were um, in a box with no way out, and frientened, and I might scream for God's help.(Oh, absolutely.) So, um, that's a prayer. So I think and also prayers that people do daily, I think it's a wonderful thing, because they're, they're coming out of what's good, and what's beautiful.So that is truer to our nature,(mm-hm), truer to their nature, and they feel better for it.(Right, I can totally..) because they like themselves when they're thinking of others and themselves，and good(Right). So, it's like of an escape from the ,um ,the mind that would see what's wrong with everything including onself.(Right).They're kinder thoughts. (Right).Thoughts for others. thoughts for yourself.
哦，那是真的么？或许正是因为你一直祷告，所以你现在才对其他的事物如此开放。任何事都是有意义的。我想听你的回答，（对的），嗯，（或许是这样）如果我，假如我被关进了一个没有出口的笼子里，非常害怕，我可能会大声呼叫，请求上帝的救助，（哦，绝对的）。所以，嗯，那是一个祈祷。所以我认为，对于人们的日常祷告，我认为那是一件很棒的事情。因为它们是，，，那些祷告是来自于美好的、美丽的心。所以，那更接近我们的真实本质（嗯），更接近他们的真实本质，而他们也因为祈祷而自己感觉更好，（是的，我完全同意），因为当他们为别人着想，或为自己着想的时候，他们更像他们原本的自己，所以那样很好。（是的）。所以说，那就像是暂时逃离了那些一直在挑刺找错的念头，逃离了那些看什么都不顺眼、包括看自己也不顺眼的那些念头，（是的）。那些祈祷是一些更善良的念头，（是的），关心其他人，关心自己。
JoB:
Well. what's wrong with that?
所以说，那有什么错么？
Katie:
Nothing. I'm for it.(Right,right.) And if people question their stressful thoughts, uh, that's all they're left with. So you , I call this unceasing prayer. This, this, this, what's left, unceasing prayer, unceasing meditation. But the prayer answered. So it's living as the answered.
什么错也没有。我很赞成祈祷。（是的）。如果人们去质询他们有压力的想法，嗯，那就是他们所剩下来的。所以，你，，，我称之为永不止息的祈祷。这是，这，这是所余留下来，永不止息的祈祷，永不止息的冥想。只不过，你所祈祷的已经得到了回应。所以，那就像是活在了你所祈祷的回应中。
JoB:
So, if ,if there's prayer, great. and if there's not prayer, fine？
所以说，如果，如果祷告，很好；如果没有祷告，也很好？
Katie:
Well. It doesn't mean anything, other than uh, many people feel better when they do. (Right.) There, it's like making ourselves feel better.it's like comforting ourselves.(Yeah). And, and, and I might have the thought, um, for example, uh," God help me." Well, I'm a very impatient person, so I would turn around, say " Katie, help yourself.". (Right, hahaha) And there's another turnaround," Katie, help God." And that's a beautiful thing. And if God were Loving what it would be everything, and I would include me, and so my arms are always open.
嗯，那不意味着什么，只不过是，嗯，当很多人祈祷的时候他们感觉更好而已。（哦，是的）。那，嗯，那就像是让我们自己更好受一点，就像是让我们自己舒服一些。（哦，这样啊。）嗯，而且，而且，而且我或许会有这样的念头，例如，“上帝啊，帮帮我。” 嗯，我是一个非常没有耐心的人，所以我会反转成，说，“凯蒂，帮帮你自己。”（对的，呵呵）。还有另一个反转，“凯蒂，帮帮上帝。” 那样做是一件美好的事情。而且，如果上帝是指去热爱它可以成为任何事，我会把自己也算进是上帝的一部分，所以我的手臂永远是张开的。
JoB:
Open. Because there's um, you know, just talking about prayer in the book when Roxanne, I was giving her babies and didn't look too good. and her in-laws grabbed your hand and said,"Will you pray with us? " And so you did.
开放的。因为，嗯，你知道，刚刚我们谈论的祷告，你的书中说罗克珊在生孩子的时候，看起来不太顺利。她的婆婆抓住你的手说，“你愿意和我们一起祈祷么？” 所以，你也祈祷了。
Katie:
I was, I was just very happy to. (Right..) I was just very happy to listen to them, and I'm always open to something that I want. I just don't, I can't identify it. Every time I identify it, I already have it.
是的，我非常高兴那样做。（是啊。。）我非常乐意听从他们的建议，我对所有我想要的事情都非常开放。我只是，我只是不能识别它而已。每次我识别出它的时候，我就已经拥有它了。
JoB:
En, what..and when when when Roxanne was going through that, or you you heard her screaming.. I think you heard her screaming?
嗯，什么？当，当罗克珊在经历那些事情的时候，或者你听见她的尖叫声的时候，，，我想你应该听见她的尖叫了吧？
Katie:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was amazing. There was no staff there for it, there was, it was amazing, it was, I mean , they were looking for the janitor, it was just, and then when the , the door did open, there was so much blood in that room. And, uh, there was no way to know if.. You know, one person in there doing surgey with no assistance. And the assistance they did have was, wasn't a doctor, and anyway you know, the mind can do a lot of things, but well you know, there's no mistake, then it's just all good. You just watch, you just watch, and you know. It's like...(That's what you did ,right?) Yes. And it's like being a hawk here. You know that the, the awake mind, is, you know, the awake untroubled mind is,, It's just, it's just like a ,it's just like this(moving her head from left to right)，it's just like a beam, and it's just looking for , um, basically " how can I help." because it's always okay.it's always untroubled, it's always ready to spring into help. That's its nature. (Right) And there's nothing to stop it, because there's no fear.
哦，当然，是的，我听见了。那非常棒。那里没有护工，嗯，那很棒。嗯， 我的意思是，他们在找看门的人，嗯，那只是，当时手术室的门是敞开的，屋子里到处都是血。。嗯，无法知道里面到底是怎么回事。。。你知道，只有一个正式的医生在手术室，没有专业护士。而在那里的助手，也不是医生。不管怎么说，你知道，心念可以就此延伸出很多想法。。嗯，但是你知道，宇宙没有错误，一切都是良善的。你只是观察，你只是观察，你知道，那就像是（那就是你当时做的事情，对么？）是的。那就像是这儿有一只老鹰，你知道，那个清醒的心智，那个没有烦恼的心智，，，它就像是这样，就像这样（凯蒂的头从左到右，从右到左转来转去，观察着情况）。那就像是一束光，只是在寻找，嗯，简单来说，就是 ”我能做些什么来帮忙？“ 因为清醒的头脑永远是没有问题的，它永远是没有忧虑的，它总是时刻准备着去全心的付出服务。那是它的本性。（是的）。没有任何事情能够阻止它，因为没有恐惧。
JoB:
Good, you know, that, I think, it strikes me, it's really an amazing story. and then what I also see is that being that way in that situation,, I mean, it seems to me to be the most helpful, because it's the way it is, I mean , what's happening. And I, you know, I didn't go through that, so I'm speaking as like something I'm seeing new from from something I didn't go through.(mm-hm) So, but when I look, I see well, that would be the way to be.
真好，你知道，我想它触动了我，那真是一个奇妙的故事。嗯，我也能够明白在那样的情况下，我的意思是，那对我来说是最有帮助的情况，因为那是事实本来的样子，我是说对于所发生的事情来说，那是最有帮助的样子。你知道，我从没体验过那种情况，所以对我来说，那是全新的东西，我从没体验过的。（嗯）。所以，但是当我去看的时候，我想，就应该是那样。
Katie:
Well, it, it's uh, the way that everyone wants to be. Just alert to what is in the moment, in a position to, to serve,(Right) , and awake to what to serve. You know, looking for something, you're waiting.And when it's there, Oh, Got It!(Right) It's so obvious, it's reality.(Right) Difference between reality and imagination.
是的，嗯，它是每个人想要去做到的样子。只是在那个时刻，那个场所中保持警醒，随时准备提供服务。（是的），清醒地去服务。要知道，寻找一些你可以提供服务的事情，你随时待命。当那件事出现在那儿的时候。嘭，就是它！！（对的）。它是如此的明显，它是现实。（是的）。那是现实与想象之间的区别。
JoB:
And everything turns out okay, I just ...
而且，最终一切都很顺利。我只是，，
Katie:
Yeah, well,(But you don't know that..) Yes..(You only know that now.)Yes.you know, yes you do.(You do?) Yes, the baby lives, good.The baby doesn't live, good. There's nothing outside of that.(Right).You know, there is no duality.There's no positive and negative. It's all positive and the mind would give you every reason to believe otherwise, and then the body experiences that as stress.
是啊，对的。（但是你当时并不知道会。。）是的（你只是现在才知道事情会有好结果的，是吧？）是的，我知道，我的确知道。（你知道？）是的。小孩活下来了，很好，小孩没有活下来，很好。没有什么什么能超出这两个结果。（是的）。要知道，并没有二元分别，没有正面和负面，所有的事情都是正面的，而心念会给你所有的理由，想要让你相信事情并不是正面的，然后身体才会感觉到那种压力。
~ 待续~
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